无极（ＮＯＮ－ＤＵＡＬＩＴＹ）的深入解释

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-17 09:59:17 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：128次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

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老子说的无极，佛说的无二，现代西方人说的ＮＯＮＤＵＡＬＩＴＹ都是一个概念。如何正确地理解它？

ＮＯＮＤＵＡＬＩＴＹ（无二无极）就是指没有２样东西。没有对立的PLURＡＬＩＴＹ，没有男人女人，没有正义和邪恶，没有上和下，没有高和低，没有东和西，没有南和北，没有长和短，没有美丽和丑陋，没有悲和欣，没有生和死，没有客观和主观，这些对立面都是误解幻象出来的。现实是没有对立的无极（ＮＯＮＤＵＡＬ）。

当我们眼睛看到一个物体（ＯＢＪＥＣＴ），注意，没有一个ＯＢＪＥＣＴ，也没有看的眼睛，或者可以说没有观察的人，有什么？只有观察本身。

什么是观察本身？英文称作ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ，字典定义为：ＴＨＥ　ＳＴＡＴＥ　ＯＦ　ＢＥＩＮＧ　ＡＷＡＲＥ。俗话说它就是遍布穿越一切的永恒意识。还有一个更好的英文字：ＣＯＮＳＣＩＯＵＳＮＥＳＳ。

看的就是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ自己，是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ看它自己。

当我们思想的时候，现实没有思想，也没有思想的人，但有ＴＨＩＮＫＩＮＧ本身。

ＴＨＩＮＫＩＮＧ也是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ。

总结一下，ＴＨＩＮＫＩＮＧ（想），ＳＥＥＩＮＧ（看）都是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ自己。ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ就是我们的本质。ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ就是真正的我们。

世界上的一切，包括世界外的一切，都是这个ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ，没有别的东西。这就是ＮＯＮＤＵＡＬＩＴＹ，无极，无二。

当我们嘴上说一件东西，这件东西，自己知道它自己。

举一个例子，我们观察到一辆汽车开过了，没有这个物体，也没有观察者，但有观察本身，这个汽车就是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ背景上出现的图像。ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ看到了自己。

有人不理解了：“你说一切对立面都不存在，那么我们所知道的，看到的都是不真的了？”。

我回答：“我们观察到的一切都是真的现实。我们不可能看到或知道任何非现实的东西，因为我们自己就是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ本身，世界上除了ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ，什么也不是。所有你看到的都是真的，都是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ自己。你就是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ，你在看世界，就是在看自己。

所有否认ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ，认为眼前是一辆车子，一个地球，一个人，你，我，他，一个房子，都是人脑的假设，是多极性的幻觉。

所以，我们就是ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ，不可能看到非ＡＷＡＲＥＮＥＳＳ的现实，但我们把不真实的假设强加上去，制造了不存在的ＳＵＰＥＲＩＭＰＯＳＩＴＩＯＮ，误解了现实。

到底什么是空，幻和梦？更进一步帮你解惑

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-17 06:55:23 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：180次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

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很多人理解成现实是空幻的，是一个梦，是不真的。这是一个严重的误解。现实不空，既不幻，也不是梦。

空，幻，梦的是你对世界的错误认识。比如世界并不像传统物理学要你相信的ＯＢＪＥＣＴ，物物分离（ＳＥＰＡＲＡＴＩＯＮ），ＡＵＴＯＮＯＭＯＵＳ的自主个体存在，这些错误认识是虚幻的梦，而不是现实本身。

再打一个比方，可能宇宙根本没有什么基本粒子，但人假设有这些东西，也“证明”出来有这些东西，但量子力学产生悖論(ＰＡＲＡＤＯＸ)了, 发现了粒子和波的共存性，好像观察者的意识会影响观察到的结果。它到底是粒子还是波？说不清。然后物理学家们没办法了，就把悖論当成一个定律，自己骗自己，他们就没有想到，可能粒子根本就没有，波也没有，是他们错误的看法，看出一个梦境。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

还有一个悖論出来了，ＳＣＨＲＯＤＩＮＧＥＲ的猫到底是活的还是死的。在量子范畴，我们发现当观察者观察粒子的时候，这个粒子好像从波态变成了粒子态，是因为有观察者的介入，粒子ＣＯＬＬＡＰＳＥ成粒子态。但在观察之前，没办法说清到底它在什么状态。是不是存在都说不清。ＳＣＨＲＯＤＩＮＧＥＲ假设粒子就是一个关在箱子里的猫，当我们把箱子打开，我们可以看到猫是ＥＩＴＨＥＲ活着，ＯＲ死亡。但在箱子没有打开前，不知道猫是否是活着还是死亡。ＳＨＲＯＤＩＮＧＥＲ说，箱子没打开前，猫处于同时活着和死亡并存的状态。这就是一个ＷＡＶＥ　ＦＵＮＣＴＩＯＮ，蕴藏着所有的可能性（ＰＲＯＢＡＢＩＬＩＴＹ）。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

回到主题，现实是存在的，但现实里是否真有粒子，真有猫？是否是人脑的错误看法，看出了一个一个粒子，一个一个猫，一个一个分离自主的物体？我说的梦幻，指的就是这个！

再打一个比方，黑暗中有一根绳子，但你看成是一条蛇。当打开灯后，发现是一根绳子，蛇是你幻觉，本来就不存在。绳子存在，但蛇不存在。现实好比是绳子，你的错误看法把现实看成了蛇，这个就是梦。

所以，人脑没有能力知道世界是什么，当它放下了“知道”的欲望，幻觉就没有动机了（ＭＯＴＩＶＡＴＩＯＮ）。幻想的养料是动机，动机没有了，幻觉就像没有了养料的花，枯萎了，这时，真理就自己知道了。注意，真理只能自己知道自己，不可能通过任何幻觉的载体，包括人脑和思维。

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• 这个澄清很好。问题在于人往往执着于自己看到的想到的，有先入为主的习惯。 -玄野- ♂    (277 bytes) (13 reads) 7/17/12 08:29:35
• 人的肉体出生本身就是一个先入为主。这不是问题。看清所有先入为主的概念，欢迎他们， -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (11 reads) 7/17/12 08:37:15
• 一点小提议，您能否将近一个多月来发表的言论整合成一个大贴子，或一个文本文件，留下 -人在异乡为异客- ♂    (0 bytes) (9 reads) 7/17/12 08:30:58
• 人在认识真理的过程中，无法排除自我的对认识的干扰，除非把自我排除掉。自我排除 -为人父- ♂    (93 bytes) (8 reads) 7/17/12 13:01:46
• 半对半错： -miat42- ♂    (555 bytes) (29 reads) 7/17/12 13:24:09
• 如果垃圾桶盖子从来没有被打开过，这种天下太平让人怀疑。 -板儿牙- ♀    (0 bytes) (0 reads) 7/17/12 15:22:25

悟道的一个过程，这是我自己的经历过的

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-16 18:31:33 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：311次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

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从小长大，被灌输的就是“人是一个肉体”概念，是科学这样教育的。然后通过读书，读了很多先圣的解释，说“人是一个肉体的存在”这个观念行不通。然后我探索“人是一个非肉体”，或者说“人的本质是一个非物体”（ＮＯＮ－ＯＢＪＥＣＴ），这条路也行不通，因为无论如何，我发现不了人到底是什么。“非物体”是什么，是灵魂吗，好像也不对。然后发现这些探索都是是死胡同，因为是人脑在探索，人脑自己是什么都没有搞清，怎么能依靠它获得清楚的答案？

最后，所有的路都走死了，一片空白，只有一个事情我可以确定无误：我存在！

但我是什么？脑子无法得到答案。生物科学书上说人是器官，肉体和脑子，意识是脑子产生的，这个答案一开始就被我否认了，我无法接受这种肤浅的解释。

这个“无路可走”的状态维持了一段时间，后来我发现，这个“不知道”恰恰是理解的开始。这个“不知道”恰恰是超越人脑时空范畴的。这个“不知道”正是打开知识的大门开门锁。

我然后看了不少大师们的经典，印度圣人ＲＡＭＡＮＡ　ＭＡＨＡＲＳＨＩ和ＪＩＤＤＵ　ＫＲＩＳＨＮＡＭＵＲＴＩ，发现他们的教诲强调一个重点：思想和欲望是阻挡真理的黑雾。是人的要探索物质的心态，然后要探索非物质的心态，让自己什么也看不到，我突然理解到，什么都不要看，不要求，可能是正道。那个要探索的家伙才是真的阻力。

然后一年开始做暂时无欲无求静思法，有一天在开车时，默默地看着周围的田园，小屋，行人，淡淡的阳光，很乏味，没有什么特别的思想，低下头寻找ＣＤ准备播放音乐，突然，这个光来了，可能不是光，是什么我无法描述，这个甜甜的愉快，霎那间我忘了时间空间，没有了和周围的距离感，前面的车和我没有了距离，特别亲切，傍边的房子和我没有了距离，特别亲切，那个缓缓走路的路人，好像是自己的亲人那般亲切。

就这样，很多答案就知道了，很多问题我也不需要问了。这个霎那让我看到了世界如此的美好，这个乏味就是神奇啊，目前就是一切的永恒啊。你还要什么价值？什么都不需要了，你理解了，目前的每分秒，就是你真正的生活，是世界可以给你的最美好的，最神圣的，别无它处可追求的！你要祝福这个乏味，庆祝目前时光，天堂就在这里，现在，还有什么不满足？

我学到了什么？它不是一个你可以从书上学到的概念，，也不是念任何经可以学到的。ＲＡＭＡＮＡ和ＪＩＤＤＵ的书对我有帮助，他们的帮助无非在建议我不要有任何追求和欲望，让你的真心自然照亮你，他们建议你要真的进入无欲无求的状态，每天暂时进入这个情况，特别安静，安逸，把什么烦恼的事都暂时抛弃，享受这个时光的乏味，不要企盼什么事会发生，你的心灵敏的很，你无法ＴＲＩＣＫ它，如果你有任何不满足的企盼心，你的真心马上发现，它就不给你看了，可能随之而来的是失望心。　　无论企盼心，还是失望你都不要有，你只要认为自己已经悟了，什么也不要了，满足了，人间天堂了，然后静静地开车，做事，走路，或发呆，你试试看吧。其实只要你安心了，你具体做什么丝毫不重要。

我从来没有试过某些人的ＭＥＤＩＴＡＴＩＯＮ，那种闭上眼集中思想在一个黑暗中，听自己呼吸节奏，我不认为这种强迫练习可以获得什么特别的东西，最多让你的心平静下来，但你可能还没有定下心，可能还不满足。这种练习我做过，什么也看不到。

我还懂得很多以前担心的事都是不必要的。以前以为自己赚钱了，心会不纯净，可能有必要放弃工作或赚钱，当出家人，跟随某一位大师，从他那里得到真经。这些都是不必要的负担，你只要习惯每天都找机会进入暂时ＳＵＲＲＥＮＤＥＲ，无欲无求，你的心就自然定下来了，在一个不可预测的时刻，你会看到真理的。　你什么都不必要放弃，家庭，生活，工作都照常进行。我彻底理解了，上帝要我们在人间此刻，不是要我们受苦的，而是要我们享受永恒的。那些苦都是人脑追求自找的东西。我也理解了佛祖长期是一个ＡＳＣＥＴＩＣ（清教徒），但什么醒悟都没有达到，有一天他发现不对头，躺在河边接受农妇给他的东西，开始吃东西正常享受生活，才在菩提树下醒悟。

我彻底理解了，人生的意义就是没有执着的享受，什么都可以做，只要不执着，不留恋。美好的东西看完后，让他走吧，因为他还会回来的，不要留恋任何东西。你有彻底的自由。

除了享受目前的愉快，人生没有别的意义，真的没有了。

如果你要为生死过程给出一个意义，轮回的意义就是要你理解世界就是愉快本身，让你彻底放下任何欲望，享受彻底的自由和ＪＯＹ。　形象的比喻就是，给你痛苦的幻觉，让你在轮回的幻境中醒来，停止不必要的生死，享受自由愉快。


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• 这个愉悦和咖啡肽刺激大脑带来的快乐有什么区别吗？ -板儿牙- ♀    (0 bytes) (10 reads) 7/16/12 18:49:01
• 咖啡肽刺激大脑是一种物质的反映。我这里说的愉快不需要大脑，是无原因的愉快（ＣＡＵ -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/17/12 04:05:13
• 对您的崇拜有加无减 -纸金迷-     (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/16/12 19:07:46
• 这咋能叫“不知道”呢？这还不是对立么？ -Yuan- ♀    (169 bytes) (13 reads) 7/16/12 21:45:10
• 在一开始的时候，我曾经否认和坚持了很多立场，但后来发现这些执着都是死胡同， -miat42- ♂    (341 bytes) (21 reads) 7/17/12 03:44:21
• 如一束光穿向无穷，回首处，开启一扇扇属于你的和不属于你的记忆之门。 -玄野- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/17/12 05:50:30
• 人生的意义除了享受当下，还在于利益众生。 -squirrel_6- ♀    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/17/12 07:33:05
• 你和众生是不分离，当你醒悟了，你就知道众生和你的关系是一致的。没有任何对立。 -miat42- ♂    (269 bytes) (24 reads) 7/17/12 07:58:11
• 那你认为你的享受当下同时也等于利益众生吗？ -squirrel_6- ♀    (150 bytes) (24 reads) 7/17/12 08:26:20
• 您的体验有意思 ： ）） -人在异乡为异客- ♂    (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/17/12 08:11:16
• 很难说我赞同这就是佛法/人生的真意：但看了你的感悟，　感觉ｍａｋｅ　ｓｅｎｓｅ -fcxj- ♀    (79 bytes) (9 reads) 7/22/12 13:53:24

悟道和不悟道的人看的世界是一样的，是真的，但区别在哪里？

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-16 15:33:19 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：198次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

悟道和不悟道的人，眼前的现实都是真的，但不悟道的人看出来的世界是物质的，分离的，个体的（ＯＢＪＥＣＴＩＶＥ），有你，我，他的区别的，是无关联的。他们习惯从物质个体角度看现实，从而产生科学（ＳＣＩＥＮＣＥ），先假设世界是分离的，一个一个分开的ＯＢＪＥＣＴ，然后在这样的假设下认真研究世界，希望发现世界存在的意义。

但悟道的人不这样看世界，他们看世界不是从物质个体角度看，他们说的“人不是真实”并非指人不存在，而是指人个体分离的现实（ＯＢＪＥＣＴＩＶＥ）是一个错误的看法，人与人之间是没有分离的，没有什么个体的ＯＢＪＥＣＴ。在悟道的人眼里，看出来的是整个人类就是他自己，没有分离，他也看出整个物质世界也和他不分离，也是他自己，这就是中国天人合一的意思。

你千万不能把悟道的人理解为他自己关在高高的象牙塔上，否认周围一切的真实性，只认为他自己是存在的，其他都不存在。这是一个严重的误解！相反地，这些探索真理的人一开始就问“我是谁？”，“我是这个肉体吗？”这些重要的问题。他们对理论不感兴趣，他只对自己的真实存在感兴趣，他从自己的体验开始，因为他们唯一可以确认的是“我存在”这个真相，虽然不知道自己到底是谁。

在问自己是谁的过程中，虽然开始无法真正知道自己是谁，但可以知道自己不是谁：

１）我们是有限的。

２）我们是ＥＧＯ。

３）我们是ＭＩＮＤ。

４）我们是肉体。

５）我们是思想和欲望。

当去除了以上这些错误理解后，留下来的就是正确理解。正确的理解获得不是通过压抑和灭绝自己的错误理解。而是从欢迎自己的错误理解开始，然后看清它们，让它们自己和平地离开的。任何暴力的控制和驱赶，都是无效的。

这个体验，不是在时空内的体验，而是无时空的体验，或者说，这个体验过程是一个非经验（ＮＯＮ－ＥＸＰＥＲＩＥＮＣＥ）。它不是一个事件，它是ＮＯＮ－ＥＶＥＮＴ。

所以，当你体验的时候，霎那既是永恒，你霎那体验到你就是全人类，一切的一切，没有了距离，没有了时间，感到一切都变的亲切无间。虽然事后你可能感到发生的时候是１秒钟，２秒钟，但这个体验是无时间的，无空间的永恒，完全包容的，甜甜的无缘故的愉快，你的很多很多问题，在这霎那中消散了，不需要语言和逻辑，脑子根本没有参与，思想是绝对没有的。

然后，你看到的世界没变，和大家看到的一样，但你知道，这一切原来都是你自己。

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• 很可贵的体验。 -squirrel_6- ♀    (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/16/12 17:33:04
• 对于我自己而言，悟道“就像一个家主，从他库里拿出新旧的东西来。” -板儿牙- ♀    (405 bytes) (13 reads) 7/16/12 17:53:13
• 同意这个说法。但可能你有些目前基督教的背景，用了一些饶恕，悔改之类的词，他们可以 -miat42- ♂    (424 bytes) (20 reads) 7/17/12 04:01:40

如何解释人生现实不空，但幻觉却是空的

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-16 12:23:07 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：98次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

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我们每天体验的生活不空，它就是生活，就是存在。有人以为佛祖说的空，是指眼前的生活是空的，这是一个误解。

什么是空？是你对眼前生活的错误解释是空的，比如下面这些：

“我是一个人”

“我４０岁”。

“我是一个男人”，

“我姓王”，

“我是一位博士”

“我是一个父亲”

。。。

这些看似很合理的概念都是空的。就是这些概念让人产生和世界隔离的幻觉。

试想一下，你一岁刚从娘肚子里出来不久，只知道饿了要喝奶，饱了就无欲无求了，哪有那么多“我是ＸＸＸ”的概念吗？没有！你只体验存在，你不知道那么多标签，也不在乎那些标签。所以什么是“悟”？回想一下自己是小ＢＡＢＹ的时候，可能那时比现在更悟吧。

存在是不空的，但你对存在的看法是空的，给一个没有名字的东西命名，你的生活就是在一个自我创造的标签里生活，忘了现实。

你是什么？什么也不是，就是存在本身，存在是什么？你不知道，然后你安心了，本质的愉快就溢出来了。

为什么你不要知道存在是什么？不要这个答案？因为没有一个＊谁＊在那里等待答案。如果有一个谁在那里，肯定是某个标签，不是真的东西要知道。

存在自己知道自己，自己体验自己，自己生活自己，自己回答自己，自己看自己。所以你不必担心你自己不知道，因为没有你自己，只有存在。


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• 得，越看你越像堂塔正康！ -Yuan- ♀    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/16/12 12:31:53
• 你是谁？我是谁？ -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/16/12 13:06:08
• 你我都要吃饭的，因此都有立场 ：） -Yuan- ♀    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/16/12 15:40:34
• 什么立场？我只有愉快地说话，一切都ＯＫ，欢迎任何发生的，这算是我的立场吧。 -miat42- ♂    (31 bytes) (6 reads) 7/16/12 15:54:57
• 有立场是什么意思？就是一种执着，偏执，就有极了，就对立了，我和你没有对立的，不是 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (12 reads) 7/16/12 15:56:46
• 堂塔和杜丘就有对立，弘一法师跟侵华日军也有对立，不是么？ ：）立场决定了对立。 -Yuan- ♀    (28 bytes) (6 reads) 7/16/12 16:45:45
• 佛祖说有对立吗？无二是什么意思？弘一法师是真的对立，还是你的心在对立，看出对立？ -miat42- ♂    (208 bytes) (14 reads) 7/16/12 16:53:23
• 堂塔医生不要总是借佛祖或老子之名，他们不在乎我在乎！ -Yuan- ♀    (168 bytes) (7 reads) 7/16/12 21:30:11
• 有他们和我的区别吗？在我眼里，我是全人类，全人类是我，我看不出区别。所以没有这个 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/17/12 03:49:08

周末前，解释一些我认为简单，但有些人认为难懂的哲理

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-13 12:16:32 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：818次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

人永远无法醒悟：



我们习惯性地谈醒悟，好像醒悟是一个经验（EXPERIENCE），人可以像体验一场球赛或歌剧一样地体验，你可以看到他，描写它，然后转告没有体验过的人，说这个EXPERIENCE怎样怎样，我看到了谁，看到了什么。

不！这统统是误解。人本身是永远无法体验醒悟的！因为人本身就是一个幻觉（佛祖强调过这点），一个幻觉怎能体验真实？体验真实的不可能是人（EGO）。当幻觉没了，梦破了，没有一个*人*在那里体验醒悟，谁在体验？是真理自己体验自己，不是EGO，因为它和梦一起破了，消失了。

所以作为*人*（EGO），你看到的都是幻觉，无法体验真实，就是因为你自己是幻觉。

所以EGO得消除。但EGO（人）可能让EGO消除吗？ 不能。一个EGO KILLER还是EGO，EGO创造出一个新的EGO KILLER， 是贼喊抓贼，适得其反，加强了EGO的幻境。

你进入教堂寺院，他们大多都是EGO在当牧师或和尚，都没有悟，他们要你做的就是创造一个EGO KILLER，命令他杀掉EGO，所以是浪费功夫。

所以啥都不要做，沉湎于当下时光的满足，彻底SURRENDER，这样真理自己来找你了。



社会发展进步，科学发展都是EGO的幻境，我用梦做一个比喻讲故事。

真正的你（好比上帝，或真理，或永恒，是什么不重要）梦到了一个宇宙和地球，其中有一大群人在那里折腾。 对真正的你来说，这些都是你的梦境，是一个休息娱乐。梦境是可有可无的。但那些地球上的人（EGO）坚持说自己是真的，社会要改良，进步，要搞科学了解宇宙是什么东西。

真正的你看着这些人，很好笑地说：好吧，你们就进步吧，科学发展吧，其实你们不就是我梦出来的，梦醒了，不就是还原成我自己了吗，还有必要进步，科学，发展？但梦境中地球上的EGO不知道，继续进步发展，真正的你说，没关系，反正是一个梦，他们都是我自己，就当成娱乐吧，他们爱干啥就干啥。

这样真正的你不断地做梦娱乐，梦里的人不断地被创造出来，搞斗争，发展，建设。

有一天，有一个梦里的人（EGO）发现不对，他开始问自己，我哪里来的？我在干吗？我做的事什么意义？我的EGO真的存在？？

这种询问，就把这个梦揭破了，一下子他看到了真正的自己，“啊，原来我就是这个世界啊，都是我自己的梦，没什么我没有的，也没什么我要的，我就是太乏味了，做一个梦解闷吧”。



介绍另一个练习方法：暂时彻底无欲无求法
大家知道，人就是欲望动物，每一个时刻都被各种欲望填满，大家也清楚，这些欲望就是蒙蔽眼睛看不到光明。我说要你开悟，必须无欲无求，谈何容易！

但有一个方法，你可以循序渐进，慢慢地练习，这样你可以保持一般生活需要的欲望，但又可以训练自己的心：

每天腾出半个小时，甚至15分钟，甚至5分钟时间，在这个短暂的时间段，你彻底放下各种欲望，忘了MORTGAGE BILL，忘了孩子教育，忘了工作，忘了股票，忘了房产，忘了考试，忘了一切的事物，人。完全放心，完全安逸，然后让周围的背景自然发生，不排斥任何思想，不排斥任何声音，不排斥任何情况的出现，同时观察到那些没能忘却的思维，什么也不要做，就观察到它们就可以了。

每天做作5分钟，不难吧？

然后你恢复正常，让欲念再次燃起，该赚钱的事就做，该上的学就上，该去的地方就去。

时间长了，你慢慢欲念会少，你慢慢地开始很享受这个5分钟，几年后，你会发现，你已经无法分清这种时间段和普通24小时有什么区别了，愉快已经是你的主旋律了。

突然有一天你遇到一个年青人， 他说，你这个人好安逸定心啊。你却没有发现有什么不同。

MORTGAGE BILL还是要付的，房租还是要收的，租客般走后的事还是要料理的，但你的心定了，外人就觉得你做事好安心，他们看不出，你已经24小时生活在愉快中，安详中，手中的事不是真事，不是欲求，是享乐的一部分。一旦开悟，是霎那的也是永恒的，这种安详愉快（BLISS）不是没有开悟的人可以体会的，是无限的，无法言语表达的，超越一切的，当然是超越生死的。



介绍另一个练习的办法：每天练习，会革命性地改变你

平常，我们９９．９％的人把自我看成是发生在身体里的一种感觉，绝大部分人自然地认为，我，就是我的身体。我在身体里面。同样，绝大部分人认为我是发生在世界外面的，我走了，世界照样转动，和我无关。

现在，反过来：你开始感觉身体发生在你里面。注意，你不必在乎你是什么，因为你不知道。但是你可以这样开始感觉，身体在你里面。

然后，同时你开始感觉，世界发生在你里面，而不是你发生在世界外面。

明天你上班，走进ＯＦＦＩＣＥ，开始感觉所有的人，事，声音，老板，同事，都发生在你里面，而且是为你发生的一场真人戏剧。

下班了，开车在路上，开始感觉周围的一切发生在你里面，开始感觉周围公路上车子的声音，都发生在你里面。开始感觉世界是为你安排的一出戏。慢慢地，把这个感觉扩大到无限，包容一切。

每天这样感觉，一开始你没发觉有什么不同，像是玩一个换角色的游戏，但时间长了，会有革命性的变化，不要怕，这个变化是微妙的，逐渐的，但是革命性的。

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• 米大， 回投资理财吧。 -tat- ♀    (193 bytes) (52 reads) 7/13/12 12:38:36
• 你的“彻底放下各种欲望”的做法实际也是一种欲望。想想“顿悟”指什么。 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (16 reads) 7/13/12 13:38:11
• 虽然这句话写出来了，读的人会有一种同样是欲望的感觉。但当我真的放下，是什么也不说 -miat42- ♂    (43 bytes) (39 reads) 7/14/12 06:31:13
• 建议你看看阿姜查的寧靜的森林水池中最后一章 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (18 reads) 7/14/12 07:50:30
• 也就是说，在SILENCE里，什么也不知道，什么也不要知道。。。这就是无欲无求。 -miat42- ♂    (147 bytes) (43 reads) 7/14/12 08:09:38
• 到底谁要知道顿悟？这个思想你也看到了，欢迎，它也走了，让他走吧。真有这个*谁*要 -miat42- ♂    (110 bytes) (23 reads) 7/14/12 08:14:21
• 当你感到有一个要知道顿悟的思想，和一个要探索的对象（顿悟），这就是一种追求。 -miat42- ♂    (139 bytes) (21 reads) 7/14/12 08:24:00
• 更确切的解释：你不知道。但知识会来找你。不是你找它。懂得这个很关键。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/14/12 08:43:23
• 顿悟不是思想，也不是探索对象，而是一种状态。 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/15/12 07:18:54
• 那岂不是形同枯木顽石。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (9 reads) 7/14/12 10:11:36
• 啊，怎么说呢，不是这个，是什么？我说不出。耶稣说是爱，这是一个比喻，在静思中它会 -miat42- ♂    (69 bytes) (30 reads) 7/14/12 13:56:16
• 不离当下常湛然。怎能说什么也不知道呢，只是无能所分别。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/14/12 14:07:48
• 啊，你佛经很懂，但你还没看到，有时候要放弃佛经理论，它们也是欲望啊。佛祖对悟性高 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (16 reads) 7/14/12 14:11:57
• 我放弃的时候，什么也不记得了，佛，悟，都放弃，然后进入绝对的SILENCE。完全 -miat42- ♂    (97 bytes) (24 reads) 7/14/12 14:15:03
• 呵呵，还想放弃？我没想抱着什么也没想放弃什么。本来无所执无所放嘛 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (7 reads) 7/14/12 14:21:06
• 是的，不是真放弃，因为没什么可以放弃的，无法用语言描述的，我认为你懂的。 -miat42- ♂    (149 bytes) (17 reads) 7/14/12 14:23:47
• 知道吗，我无法找到一个不必要放弃的放弃的语言给任何人解释，你懂了，逻辑到此失效。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/14/12 14:25:53
• 还有放弃这个中文词有被误解的可能，英文SURRENDER更好。也是欢迎一切，这也 -miat42- ♂    (81 bytes) (12 reads) 7/14/12 14:33:47
• 如人饮水，冷暖自知，只可意会，难以言传。我不过是故意与你游戏一下 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (268 bytes) (10 reads) 7/14/12 14:44:04
• K 英文好，会表达。我不评判他。但我尊敬他。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/14/12 14:48:49
• 我也不想具体评论K。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/14/12 14:56:01
• 这个当然是言语道断的事。但与人交流，恰当地表述是门艺术。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (733 bytes) (12 reads) 7/14/12 14:37:29
• 所以我无法表达，我来美国大半辈子了，英文比中文好。我有些困难选词。中文古文忘差不 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (11 reads) 7/14/12 14:40:18
• 我开始想学梵文和巴利文，最早读的是英文经典。但是。。。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (280 bytes) (30 reads) 7/14/12 14:51:35
• 不必要，你只要听自己的心，不需要语言的。它是永远无法靠别人描述给你听的。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (7 reads) 7/14/12 14:57:04
• SILENCE就是最好的老师。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/14/12 14:57:53
• 到一定时候，自己是不需要文字了。但要对人表述，需借助文字。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (865 bytes) (33 reads) 7/14/12 15:13:24
• YES -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/14/12 16:19:55
• Saint's teaching is to cast a light for -miat42- ♂    (90 bytes) (21 reads) 7/14/12 16:22:04
• 呵呵，其实我不记什么，只是对境时，它自然就来了。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/14/12 14:16:50
• 让我们先相信你已悟道。能说说悟道后，对世界的不同体验吗？ -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (11 reads) 7/14/12 11:30:22
• 愉快，无可名状的愉快，和周围一切没有距离，宁静，现在就是啊：-） -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (12 reads) 7/14/12 13:49:11
• 有两个问题：1.那是悟道吗？ 2.是如何达到那个状态的？ 你的答案也许对大家有启 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (10 reads) 7/14/12 13:58:27
• 我不知道这算不算，但我没有了害怕，只有愉快。我不问任何理论的东西，它不是理论。 -miat42- ♂    (171 bytes) (43 reads) 7/14/12 14:02:55
• 知道你说的是什么了。悟道是指明白道的运作，看清缘起缘灭。缘起分十二支。 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/14/12 17:37:06
• 你没有回答我问的：任何最初达到那个状态？是一点点达到，还是突然掉入。 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/14/12 17:52:16
• 回复：你没有回答我问的：如何最初达到那个状态？是一点点达到，还是突然掉入。 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/14/12 18:00:22
• 这个一点点都是SPONTANEOUS的。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/15/12 15:02:04
• 一点点。然后过几天又来一点点，很甜的， 每个一点点都好像回答了很多书上读到但还理 -miat42- ♂    (64 bytes) (25 reads) 7/15/12 15:00:34
• 也就是说，渐渐发生的，一点点得到的？ -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (9 reads) 7/15/12 16:06:49
• 第一次是几年前的一天长途开车，进入无欲无求，低头拿CD准备放，突然来了，1，2秒 -miat42- ♂    (638 bytes) (49 reads) 7/15/12 18:45:37
• 这个愉快是不是因为某个原因的，是无原因的，因为来的时候，就不期待什么，也没什么好 -miat42- ♂    (218 bytes) (29 reads) 7/15/12 18:55:45
• 像禅修中每个状态，佛教有一个区别方法。如有你在那个状态的像片，那就容易分清了。 -yfz9465- ♂    (213 bytes) (32 reads) 7/16/12 04:35:54
• 上面应该是，像禅修中某个状态 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/16/12 05:30:17
• 老子说的道理其实很简单，一就是没有对立的无极，然后从一生二，就是思想的分辨，然后 -miat42- ♂    (158 bytes) (25 reads) 7/16/12 07:22:20
• “从一生二，就是思想的分辨”这话不正确，“二”有虚幻性，也有真实性。 -yfz9465- ♂    (216 bytes) (11 reads) 7/16/12 07:45:25
• 现在已经无法分辨来了去了，没有来或去的边界。不影响作任何事，其实做事本身就是愉快 -miat42- ♂    (1170 bytes) (22 reads) 7/16/12 09:05:20
• 我问的是，做事的原动力是如何产生的？还有那状态现在成为连续的？ -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/16/12 09:16:00
• 没有原动力。为什么要有动机？生活当下给你的处境就是完美的，你接受欢迎它，包括生活 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/16/12 09:21:27
• 你又回到思辨上！所以有点自相矛盾。做事人在动，这个动是如何产生的？ -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/16/12 09:23:49
• 愉快是不需要动机的。所以我不知道动机，这个解释可能更好。 -miat42- ♂    (234 bytes) (16 reads) 7/16/12 09:31:24
• 你没有回答问题。就像你在打字回帖时这些动作，是如何产生的？ -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/16/12 09:34:16
• 我和你打字谈话就是愉快吧。但你要问我为什么愉快，我真的不知道。 -miat42- ♂    (215 bytes) (17 reads) 7/16/12 09:43:28
• 另外，能否将你在那状态的相片让我看看？ -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/16/12 09:39:42
• 你说ＰＨＯＴＯ？你用物理来思维了，这不是状态，不是境界，虽然语言上常常方便地用这 -miat42- ♂    (41 bytes) (16 reads) 7/16/12 09:47:10
• “相由心生”，悟道者有不同的特征。也许你悟到，但不善于表达。谢谢回复 -yfz9465- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/16/12 10:03:00
• 很愉快：－） -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/16/12 10:10:54
• 你只能SURRENDER自己，也就是说，目前就是我最好的环境了，不要更好了，满足 -miat42- ♂    (160 bytes) (30 reads) 7/14/12 14:06:20
• 这种愉快，在洗澡中会来，在走路时会来，在早上醒来是会来。一旦它来了，就不断地来， -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (13 reads) 7/14/12 13:59:27
• 我劝您还是早点儿洗洗睡吧。 -agoodday- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/13/12 20:31:53
• 想起某电影里的一段台词： -squirrel_6- ♀    (361 bytes) (31 reads) 7/14/12 09:12:03
• 差不多。最后没有自尊心，因为这个自己找不到了。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/14/12 09:28:02
• EGO要欢迎，要观察它，它确实是工具。用好了，它就没用了。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/14/12 09:30:19
• 感觉你说的道理是"想"的，不是“体验”的。 -squirrel_6- ♀    (27 bytes) (14 reads) 7/14/12 10:02:38
• 我不重要，我就不是你的大师，不需要证明什么，要观察自己的EGO， 一切都还那里。 -miat42- ♂    (45 bytes) (20 reads) 7/14/12 10:09:29
• 谢谢：） -squirrel_6- ♀    (0 bytes) (0 reads) 7/14/12 10:10:49
• squirrel_6 说了一句非常好的话。那是： -yfz9465- ♂    (210 bytes) (34 reads) 7/14/12 11:25:02
• 是的，这种无依附的感觉你体会到了就知道了，无法通过语言描述出来。以前我知道的只是 -miat42- ♂    (77 bytes) (35 reads) 7/14/12 13:52:06
• 我说体会只是我能说的比喻，真的不知道怎样说啊。：-）你静思，一切放下，它会来找你 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/14/12 13:53:55
• 你说的那个练习，五分钟是不够的。 -玄野- ♂    (225 bytes) (15 reads) 7/16/12 08:40:32
• 试图超脱俗世的烦恼也并不见得就是那样的符合上帝与真理。 -玄野- ♂    (18511 bytes) (25 reads) 7/16/12 08:49:58
• 同意！上帝要人不分辨，也就是说不分辨好事坏事。性欲当然不一定是坏事。不执着地享受 -miat42- ♂    (205 bytes) (33 reads) 7/16/12 09:38:44
• 佛教教徒不一定正确无误地表达了佛祖本人的意思。根据我本人的理解阅读，佛祖本人和道 -miat42- ♂    (360 bytes) (47 reads) 7/16/12 11:41:42
• 南华真经的确是这个味道。 -玄野- ♂    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/16/12 12:04:49

天人合一在物理上有根据？１９６５年ＦＥＹＮＭＡＮ解释了每个电子都是一个电子可能性

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-12 14:43:35 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：87次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1965/feynman-lecture.html

Feynman's thesis advisor, John Wheeler, proposed the hypothesis in a telephone call to Feynman in the spring of 1940. He excitedly claimed to have developed a neat explanation of the quantum mechanical indistinguishability of electrons:
As a by-product of this same view, I received a telephone call one day at the graduate college at Princeton from Professor Wheeler, in which he said, "Feynman, I know why all electrons have the same charge and the same mass" "Why?" "Because, they are all the same electron!" And, then he explained on the telephone, "suppose that the world lines which we were ordinarily considering before in time and space—instead of only going up in time were a tremendous knot, and then, when we cut through the knot, by the plane corresponding to a fixed time, we would see many, many world lines and that would represent many electrons, except for one thing. If in one section this is an ordinary electron world line, in the section in which it reversed itself and is coming back from the future we have the wrong sign to the proper time—to the proper four velocities—and that's equivalent to changing the sign of the charge, and, therefore, that part of a path would act like a positron." "But, Professor", I said, "there aren't as many positrons as electrons." "Well, maybe they are hidden in the protons or something", he said.
—Feynman, Richard, Nobel Lecture December 11, 1965


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• 自己的妻子和孩子被日本鬼子杀害了，他还美滋滋的 -纸金迷-     (83 bytes) (15 reads) 7/12/12 15:13:45
• 谁获得强大，这个关键问题你没搞清。为什么要获得强大如果你知道了自己已经是世界了。 -miat42- ♂    (67 bytes) (7 reads) 7/13/12 04:23:23

最好不要假设自己没悟。解释一下什么是悟

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好问题！你已经遇见佛了，就是你自己！为什么要说自己没悟？这是你的一个幻觉。“没悟”的幻觉加强了一个“没悟”的感觉，幻想和因之而来的感觉互相加强，你看到的就是这个你信以为真的感觉。

不要有这个“没悟”的假设，你就当自己完全悟了，慢慢地，你会发现，世界就跟着你变。你看出来的世界是你的心的反映。你假设什么，世界就反映什么。你不假设，世界就投降了，没东西可以反映了。

你越认为轮回是真的，世界就反映轮回给你看　（是自己骗自己）。

你越认为自己不是佛，世界就反映你非佛性。（也是自我暗示和欺骗）。

你越认为和周围有距离，世界就反映出距离来。

你越害怕肉体的死，死就越可怕。

你越害怕悲剧，悲剧往往越容易发生，怪不得世界，因为世界反映了你的心。

所以佛说的好：所有的善和恶都在自于你的心。

耶稣也说的好：“看到别人都是魔鬼的，自己就是魔鬼。看到别人都是天使的，自己就是天使”。

然后你发现问题出在自己的心理，改变看法了：

你不管轮回了，世界马上停止反映你不管的东西。

你不管佛了，世界马上停止反映你不在乎的东西了。所以，当有人问你你是不是佛，你说：“我不知道”。

你不管悟不悟了，也就是说，你回答：“我不知道自己有没有悟，这个不重要”。世界马上知道：你这时候没有追求欲望了。

最后，你对一切都说：“我不知道”，这时，你的心空了，但你欢迎世界万物流进你的心，流出你的心，没有什么好事坏事，一切都ＯＫ。让他们自由地来吧，你欢迎。让他们自由地离去吧，你欢送。你所有的行动都是一种欢迎和欢送，你可以和朋友打牌，说话，唱歌，游戏，打电动游戏，大吃大喝，喝酒，做爱，你的心什么都不阻挡，什么都享受，同时，什么都不留恋，绝对地没有了任何的依附（ＡＴＴＡＣＨＭＥＮＴＳ）。有一天，有人要你杀人，你不干，因为你爱人，他们就把你押禁入监狱，你也欢迎这个，在监狱里的心，和在你家里的心，都是不动的，你坦然接受。

这时，你和世界没有了对立，世界和你也没有了对立，实际上世界就是你了，你也是世界了。



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• 不杀人和害人，不执着于一物一事，观察自己的一念一动，试一试吧。 ： ）） -人在异乡为异客- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/12/12 10:27:18
• 你要假设自己悟了，然后放下包袱，无欲无求地观察自己。非常有效，不信试试看。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/12/12 11:52:01
• 只要你无欲无求就可以，假设是给自己一个心里暗示，假设是为了不要有追求悟的动机。 -miat42- ♂    (43 bytes) (10 reads) 7/12/12 14:13:41
• 确实，是一个小欲求，但这个暂时的工具让你不产生更大的欲求，还是有用的。到一定时候 -miat42- ♂    (61 bytes) (7 reads) 7/13/12 04:26:27
• 执取业为识，不执取为智，凡圣的区别。 -板儿牙- ♀    (83 bytes) (9 reads) 7/12/12 16:11:39
• 高明。仁兄能体悟到如此境界，难能可贵。佛说：制心一处，无事不办。心能转境， 即同 -drfeng- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/12/12 20:26:45

空的心不空，因为它装满了全世界

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怎么理解？

很多人怕谈空，因为他们没有理解什么是佛祖讲的空，他们解释成没有了一切，一切成为虚空，想象成空气一般，没有了，这是多么可怕的结局！

这种理解是没有入门的人的最普遍误解。

空不是真的什么也没有了，空代表把心静止，没有移动，是空心，为什么要空心？因为唯有这样，这个心才可能成为无限的口袋，装下全世界的万物，运动，以及喜怒哀乐。

这颗空的心，既能装下全世界的痛苦，也能装下全世界的快乐，这颗心之所以能够装下无限的存在，就是因为它是空的。这颗心不分辨高低，好坏，贵贱，它是没有依附性的。就像慧能说的：“无思就是一个没有依附的思”　（No-thought is a thought of no support).　所以这颗心是没有依附的，没有极端的，容得下世界的心。

我可以猜想，此时，你脑子的逻辑开始分析了，这颗心到底是空的还是满的？

我怎么回答？我说它既不空也不满，没有这个对立面，是ＮＯＮＤＵＡＬ（无二）的。这就解释了佛祖说的：现实是既存在也非存在。怎么理解？如果你还在用逻辑辨别存在和非存在的对立面，你还没有悟，你还是逻辑的俘虏。

抗战时期的那个道士，他的心已经入定，已经装得下世界的一切，包括痛苦和喜乐。

心入定了，然后你什么事都可以做，包括做爱，什么俗事都移动不了那颗稳定的心。你可以戳麻将啊，可以唱歌啊，可以旅游啊，可以吃山珍海味啊，可以，。。。找不到你不可作的事。
安静的心，就意味着它彻底解放了，自由了。

想想吧，一个解放了自由的心，做什么事，就像没做任何事。

这就是佛祖说的空的概念：一个空的心同时装满世界万物。

所有，道士结婚了生子了，当翻译了，随军了，但他那颗稳定的心，什么也没做，在他眼里，超越了生死，他没有凡人的约束，但却扎扎实实地比凡人还凡地生活，彻底自由。

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• 精神之间构成一个离散空间，心与心之间的距离都是相同地，心与心之间的沟通必须通过各 -玄野- ♂    (191 bytes) (10 reads) 7/12/12 07:15:44
• 在知道心于心之间其实是没有距离的，最后是没有个人的心的，因为ＥＧＯ是幻觉。但暂时 -miat42- ♂    (400 bytes) (10 reads) 7/12/12 07:49:38
• 这些都是为了解释给没有理解的人听的。做一个比喻，引一个方向。比喻说装满不是真的装 -miat42- ♂    (158 bytes) (11 reads) 7/12/12 08:17:46
• 吃饭时吃饭，睡觉时睡觉。 -squirrel_6- ♀    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/12/12 08:55:18

为什么有些佛经谈轮回，因果，虽然这些都是幻觉？

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佛本人不愿谈这个轮回的东西，因为轮回本身就是自我意识（ＥＧＯ　ＭＩＮＤ）的一个大幻觉。佛不愿把时间浪费在谈论一个幻觉。但后来佛教产生后，大量的教徒们不懂，为了让他们在行为上善良，师傅们开始强调因果轮回概念，虽然在高层次这个概念是一个幻觉，不真的有，但在人们没有醒悟的时候，有一定的规诫作用。因果轮回让人们理解所作的任何事都有回报，简单地讲，好事有好报，恶事有恶报，这辈子不报，下辈子报，当然师傅为了解答学生们的问题时，也举例说明了因果关系也遍布到人的婚姻爱情。

但这些东西是讲给比较不开悟的学生们听的，起到了一定的道德规范作用。但是，学生的理解提高了以后，就要看般若波罗蜜多心经这种比较高深的经文，告诉你，你这个人都是一个幻觉，哪里来上辈子下辈子，只要理解自己就是世界本身，沉浸在目前的ＰＲＥＳＥＮＴＭＯＭＥＮＴ，就是醒悟了，就是佛了。所有的轮回，因果，自我，私欲，时间，都是幻觉。

所以，学佛到了最后，所有的幻觉都要抛弃，你才能看到真正的自由解放。

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• 说的好。 对于没有醒悟的人来说， 这些轮回等，依然有。因为没有看破。 -drfeng- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/11/12 20:52:12
• ＥＸＡＣＴＬＹ -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/12/12 04:27:37
• 我不觉得因果和轮回是幻觉... -人在异乡为异客- ♂    (229 bytes) (11 reads) 7/12/12 07:47:49
• 这样说吧，佛在般若波羅蜜多心經中说了，人（ＥＧＯ，ＢＯＤＹ）是幻觉，是没有的。 -miat42- ♂    (266 bytes) (12 reads) 7/12/12 08:13:38
• 从佛眼看因果轮回是幻觉.... -人在异乡为异客- ♂    (211 bytes) (20 reads) 7/12/12 08:38:37
• 你这句话本身就是已经悟了，但还没有身体力行。比如我吧，我完全已经不看因果轮回了。 -miat42- ♂    (399 bytes) (16 reads) 7/12/12 08:55:48
• 提一个可能有点怪的问题，佛已经和任何人或物没有了因果关系，那如果未悟的我遇见了佛 -人在异乡为异客- ♂    (159 bytes) (21 reads) 7/12/12 09:04:29
• 见新贴，我回答了你。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/12/12 09:49:05

说说JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI 悟道了没有

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有兄弟认为KRISHNAMURT没有全悟，这个我不知道。我们没有能力看出别人悟了没有。我自己都没法看出我自己悟了没有，怎能看出别人？如果有人声称他悟了，这就是没误的表现。没有一个悟的人声称自己悟了。JIDDU没有这样说自己。我也没有找到佛这样说自己。

我来讲一个KRISHNAMURTI小故事，有一次，被人问起他的教诲和佛的教诲有什么不同，K说，为什么要把我的教义和别人的教义比较？比较本身就是一个误解。

你看！他这个回答，正说明了他的理解和佛的理解没有区别：不要比较。你比较不出真理的。迷惑的人们忙着比较，斗争。不如自己MEDITATE，进入没有分离的世界。

你可以看到，KRISHNAMURTI对佛的理解远远比目前的佛教徒深入。他指出佛教的条条框框成了人们醒悟的绊脚石，比如把佛的境界分离，分成所谓的三界，五行。这些都是EGO幻想出来的东西，佛祖从来没有说有这些东西，都是后来的不知道谁脑子里想出来的。而且要教徒们尊守很多不必要的规诫，让学徒们产生出一个由下而上追求的层次。KRISHNAMURTI指出真理是没有途径的，醒悟是不需要时间的(TIMELESS)。佛教界却告诉学徒们必须作这个那个，多少年，多少努力，你才能到位。给人一个为了奖赏而努力奋斗（WORK FOR REWARD)的误解。K指出，醒悟不是一个努力和追求，醒悟是没有时间的。但努力和追求都是和时间有关，都是自我意识（EGO）的错觉。任何努力奋斗成佛，最后反而适得其反，强化了自我意思的幻觉EGO。

但我们知道，佛的真经Sutra of the Heart of Transcendent Knowledge（般若波羅蜜多心經）从来没有说学生必须走这些层次，服从这些规诫，读这些经文，没有什么三界五行七识，没有什么六道轮回，这些都是没有真悟的后人加入的东西，活生生地把一个无二（UNDIVIDED) 的教义分解出这么多复杂的层次类别。KRISHNAMURTI 的教义和般若波羅蜜多心經完全一致，但和后来的某些经文有出入。教徒们以为Ｋ没有理解佛，其实恰恰是教徒们自己没有理解佛，看了太多的规诫，条条框框，Ｎ界Ｎ行Ｎ识。

想想看，一个无二（UNDIVIDED）的存在, 哪能有那么多规诫，条条框框，Ｎ界Ｎ行Ｎ识？

总结是，Ｋ完全符合般若波羅蜜多心經，是佛最深入的经文。

下面是佛教界对KRISHNAMURTI的详细评论，说他的解释是现代人对古代的佛经最清晰的解释。

对KRISHNAMURTI有高度的评价。希望你英文比较过硬，看懂了这片文章，你不但懂了佛，也懂了K,你也理解了目前的佛教已经部分偏离了佛的原意，误解已经掺入各类经文，还好佛早就预测了这个情况，他提醒学生们：不要相信任何别人给你看的东西，你要自己分析。



The Krishnamurti Connection and Buddhism
The following paragraphs were solicited and published in two articles by a small, American, Midwestern Buddhist newsletter. They record an attempt to think through a comparison between the example and teachings of Krishnamurti and the Buddha. This is a particularly relevant exercise, given the little known fact that Krishnamurti was known to have mentioned once or twice during his life, that he had been a pupil of the latter. Krishnamurti tried, more or less success fully, never to use this fact in public. At least once however, after a talk, one of his listeners was, by way of introducing a question, explaining to Krishnamurti that the Buddha had said such-and-such. On this occasion, before K could stop himself he blurted out a forceful: "He never said that." He did occasionally give the impression of not suffering fools gladly. Further information can be downloaded from the "K server" at tu-berlin.

(from Bob James: silenus@calvino.alaska.net to ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de in /pub/doc/krishnamurti/related/ and thence to Pannyavaro, BuddhaNet)

The paragraphs are inaccurate here and there and some needed comments have been introduced in {curly brackets}.

1. Background: The Krishnamurti Connection

Science and medicine tell us that humans are mammals and are therefore related to many other animals which share our environment. Among the things that we share in common with animals are certain characteristic bodily functions. More specifically these functions are grouped into systems such as the circulatory system, the muscular system, the digestive system, and the nervous system. All animals need these systems in order to survive. Some animals depend more on one system than on the others for survival. Most animals make heavy use of the muscular system and the digestive system to move about and to assimilate food, but parasitic worms have little need for muscles to move or a digestive tract to process their nourishment. Perhaps more so than any other animal humans depend on a highly developed nervous system which has evolved into a higher capacity for memory with an enhanced ability for abstract thinking.

So highly developed is the human ability for memory and abstract thinking that humans have given various names to the products {not products: just because tennis balls are delivered in cans and projected by racquets, does not enable us to conclude they are the products of either} of their nervous systems. Names such as concepts, theories, ideas, and beliefs have been applied to human thought processes. Over the ages the thoughts and beliefs of humans have grown more and more important to them, partly because thoughts were often heavily relied upon for survival, but also because the intense emphasis that was placed on thoughts and beliefs made them seem real to most all humans. As time went on many of the beliefs began to take on a reality and a life of their own, independent of the external reality that humans and other animals had hitherto known. Some of the beliefs became so real and so powerful to those whose nervous systems created them, that they became substitutes for reality. In the harsh struggle for survival suffering was frequently inevitable, and it could only be expected that humans would sooner or later learn to escape from the miseries of existence by living in a non-real world generated by their highly advanced nervous systems.

The enhanced ability of humans to think their way out of problems thus led to a surprising new activity -- escape from the realm of reality into a world inhabited by beliefs. In all likelihood this activity came about merely as an accidental byproduct of a superior brain stem. Thus the human animal separated itself from other animals by using its nervous system for something that it had never been used before to any great degree by any other animal -- for the sustenance of beliefs that had no basis in reality. Up to this point the use of beliefs and thoughts as a human diversion away from the acute struggle for survival seems somewhat innocuous. But another unexpected surprise was in store for that advanced human nervous system. Humans began to idolize and worship their beliefs. They grew attached to the thoughts that they felt could cushion them from the fearful necessities of living. Their thoughts became crutches which they could always fall back on. Like cripples, many humans began to cling to their beliefs desperately. Beliefs were treated as possessions. Fearful that some outside group with different beliefs might deprive them of their mental possessions, many people were prepared to fight and die for the products of their own nervous systems. Animals had fought and died for food, for territory, and for mates, but never before had animals engaged in deadly battles to preserve one set of beliefs over another. By this time the beliefs were given even more high-sounding names such as ideals, freedom, conscience, God, country, sacred path. Humans lacked the objectivity and insight to see that concepts such as "my ideal", "my freedom", "my God", "my path", and "my country" never appear walking down the streets in broad daylight, and that their reality was an illusory one that only existed within the brain stems of the humans who harbored the beliefs.

Most humans lacked the perspective to know and understand the dilemma that the human animal had inadvertently fallen victim to, but there were some. In human history mention is made of a few rare individuals who had the objectivity and the perspective with which to understand the human plight. Many of the words recorded from these prophets echoed again and again in one form or another: "Know thyself" was probably the most common advice offered by all prophets. And yet, this advice has been almost totally ignored, being drowned in one belief system after another throughout most cultures and religions of the world. Humans, being blinded by their possessiveness for their own thought creations, failed to pay attention to this most important dictum. Instead they took the words of their prophets and tried to interpret them as beliefs, almost literally. Rather than trying to look inward and trying to understand what they had created within their brain stems, they succumbed to the tyranny of their petty beliefs. They unwittingly followed paths which their nervous systems and its beliefs had laid to ensnare them.

We know too little about some of the prophets that may have had some insight into the human predicament. Those who may have had the gift {it is no gift} of this insight include the leaders of the major religions and a handful of gifted mystics. Jiddu Krishnamurti was one of these mystics. Krishnamurti (1895-1986) was born of a Brahmin family of less than moderate means in southern India. His life might have been a much more uneventful one if it had not been for the Englishman, Charles Webster Leadbeater, who discovered the boy, dirty and undernourished, walking along a beach near Madras at the turn of the century.

Charles Leadbeater shared the prestigious position of being one of the two top leaders of the Theosophical Society with Annie Besant, its president. The Theosophical Society had evolved into a powerful organization {it has never been and is not now powerful in any ordinary meaning of that word} that had branches in every industrialized country throughout the world. Its members were often {occasionally, as in any other organization} wealthy and influential. Its goals were to form a sort of world order or religion that would ultimately combine all existing religions, both western and eastern, into one unitary world order. The Theosophical society was looking for a world teacher, a prophet of sorts, who would become the leader for this new world order. {Poorly phrased but more or less correct. As long as one understands this phrase "world order" to have nothing whatever to do with politics or religion. The number of secular organizations from Amnesty International to the United Nations who have adopted a portion of the goals of the Theosophical Society, without acknowledgment, are yet to be counted.} It was in Krishnamurti that Leadbeater saw an instrument for this new order. With the approval of Annie Besant and his parents Krishnamurti and his brother, Nitya, were sent off to England to be educated.

By the time he had reached the age of twenty Krishnamurti had become very fluent in English. As a gifted speaker and writer he had been introduced to the intellectual and social life of England. The Theosophical Society formed a new organisation named "The Order of the Star of the East" and made Krishnamurti its leader both in temporal and spiritual matters.

For a number of years Krishnamurti presided over large gatherings of theosophists from all over the world. He was acclaimed and accepted as the prophet of the new order. Then two unexpected events changed things forever in the life of Krishnamurti. His brother, Nitya, died of tuberculosis in 1925, and in 1929 while resting in the estate of a friend in the Ojai Valley of California, Krishnamurti was attacked by {what seemed to his friends to be} feverish dreams. One day he wandered into a nearby grove and stopped to rest underneath a pepper tree. It was while he lay under the tree that indescribable feelings of unity with nature overtook him. He claimed that he could in some sense merge with the insects and the leaves on the pepper tree. He claimed to be able to see things with greater clarity than ever before in his life and that he had touched the face of the infinite.

Within two years of these experiences Krishnamurti formally disbanded "The Order of the Star of the East". To the amazement and disappointment of Annie Besant and some of the other theosophists, he gave up all the power and prestige that he had gained under their tutelage. He proclaimed that truth could not be found through membership in any organization that was created by man and that no organization should be established by men to show others the correct path to truth. In short, each person would have to find truth for themselves.

2. "Truth is a pathless land.": The Teachings

For Krishnamurti the conglomeration of thoughts and beliefs that each human acquires and builds upon into adulthood go together to form the ego. A self-propagating thing, the ego is that bundle of nervous energy which strives to maintain the thoughts which it needs to identify itself. For example: I am white, I am black, I am Christian, I am a pagan, I am an Englishman, I am a Chinese, I am John, I am a republican. The ego thrives on labels such as these. Labels are thoughts, having no objective reality, but they do serve a purpose, to discriminate between what I am and what I am not. The use of labels facilitates the fragmentation of the universe. By virtue of labels and fragmentation the human nervous system (ego) has subdivided a universe which in its primeval innocence had hitherto only known oneness. Krishnamurti often refers to this process as one of divisiveness and insularity.

For Krishnamurti the ego is a process that consumes nervous energy in order to set itself apart from the rest of the universe. The ego owes its existence to fear of all that is unknown, and this fear is acquired after birth by all humans as soon as they begin to deal with the unknown. The energy tied up in the beliefs which comprise the ego serve as a buffer against the memories of hurt that each human acquires and subsequently carries as a burden. {Correct}

The divisive nature of mankind is responsible for all of the suffering which mankind endures. Divisiveness occurs both internally and externally. Within ourselves we build images of what we want to be or what we think we should be. But these images can never reflect what we truly are. A conflict exists between reality and mental images which cannot be resolved by thought, because it is thought that is projecting these images in the first place. Any attempt by thought to resolve the conflict ends in more confusion, frustration, and suffering.

External divisiveness occurs with thoughts, images or beliefs like "we are different from them" or "we are better than them". Comparisons are made, and in order to make comparisons we must first create mental scales of good and bad, black and white, smart and stupid, right and wrong, high and low. These, of course, are all examples of duality, and thus duality becomes a tool for subdividing and fragmenting external reality. As usual, fear is the prime motivation. We are fearful of the reality of knowing exactly what we are. To avoid this fear we find security by indulging in mental creations - images of being good as opposed to being bad or being right as opposed to being wrong. The process leads us gradually into a state of insularity or separation from that which causes the fear. For example, one might have Jewish blood and be fearful of learning the truth. To avoid having to acknowledge the truth one could go on a rampage of hate and destruction bent on a "final solution" of eliminating all the evidence that the Jewish race ever existed. Clearly, external divisiveness can be the cause of much suffering.

What are we exactly? According to Krishnamurti we are emptiness. In some of his writings he describes this emptiness as the nowhere from which joy emerges without a cause and the nowhere to which it returns. The nowhere is timeless - not having a beginning or an ending, but not having a duration either for duration would imply time.

Subjective time is a product of our advanced human memories. We can remember our pasts so well that we very readily form images of the past that seem real. We do this better than most other animals. But our superior ability for abstract thinking enables us to foresee certain events in the future, e.g. when the temperature drops low enough we may predict that water will freeze. We may become so obsessed with our ability to anticipate future events that our anticipations may seem to be real to us. We 'believe' that a past and a future exists because our nervous system has very real powers of making predictions for the future and our memory is likewise powerful in recalling the past. The flow of images that our nervous systems construct of the past and the future deceive us into thinking that there is something like a concrete past and a concrete future. Like many other prophets and mystics, however, Krishnamurti reminds us that the only reality lies 'now' in the present moment.

The illusion which we experience as the passage of subjective time is intimately tied into the ego. When we experience time we are always doing something of this sort:

1. Waiting to get something or to go somewhere. 2. Working (and waiting) to earn money. 3. Studying to become better in a skill or a discipline. 4. Growing impatient to achieve or obtain something.

In each case the ego is using its favorite tool, duality, and making comparisons to go from a state of lesser possessiveness to greater possessiveness. Krishnamurti points out that this process which has ego at its heart gives rise to the passage of subjective time. Egolessness, therefore, implies timelessness.

He acknowledges that there is a place for ego. Humans need ego to survive in daily living. Beliefs, thoughts, and memory are necessary to fend for our daily requirements. We need to earn a living and know when to cross a street safely by remembering what a green light means. The aborigine must use memory and thought in order to prepare the tips of spears or the shafts of arrows. But thoughts and beliefs are never sacred! They are not to be worshipped as things in themselves. Thought, no matter how elevated or holy it may seem, is no more a sacred product of the nervous system than defecation is a sacred product of the digestive system. How easy it is to be deceived by the illusion of sacred thoughts.

Krishnamurti has stated that there is only one way to achieve a deep, fundamental and permanent change in our personalities, and that is through a kind of profound, spontaneous insight into our inner nature -- "know thyself". This insight, it turns out, is the equivalent of meditation. In order to cause such a change, this meditation must be without concentration because concentration involves will power and this implies ego activity. Any activity involving concentration, discipline, effort, or force will only cause superficial changes. The underlying mechanism will remain unchanged. He describes a type of meditation where insight and revelation come to the meditator of their own accord as opposed to meditation which rigidly follows a path, a discipline, or a method set down by others. One cannot use the ego to force itself into inactivity because the use of force implies ego activity.

When Krishnamurti refers to insight he means an instantaneous insight. He means insight which does not require time, deliberations, or tedious analysis by the ego process. Krishnamurti's insight is so vivid and dynamic that it also becomes its own action. In other words action with a response takes place simultaneously with insight, and there is no passage of subjective time in which to think or invoke belief systems.

Experiences of this sort may be incredibly powerful:

1. A mother who steps between her child and a rattlesnake threatening to strike. She does this without a moment's hesitation to think about Christian ethics deploring suicide, whether she should say ten hail Mary's first, etc.

2. The many accounts of soldiers in combat who threw themselves upon hand grenades to save their comrades without wasting an instant on their belief systems. One may well guess that even some atheists may have been up to it.

3. Some years ago a passenger airliner lost part of its hull near Hawaii, a few passengers perished, but most landed and survived. A stewardess, interviewed on TV, said: "there was no fear -- no time for fear, we all acted spontaneously to the needs of each other without giving thought." She said it was all played out in slow motion. Time seemed to stop. There was no time for belief systems and no time to get out a handy-dandy bible or Koran or 'Gita'. No time for the Lord's prayer.

4. Young persons in love (perhaps for the first time) refer to dying for each other and moments when time seems to stop. One notices that love in this case crosses all artificial, man-made, religious boundaries. Not much thought given to the Christian, Hindu, or Moslem God when lovers meet. No time to waste on belief systems. A communist can love a capitalist, a Satanist a Christian, no time, no thought given to the 'rules', the 'covenants', the 'commandments.' Love cannot be constrained by rules that are taught at the foot of a guru.

5. Athletes in long distance racing sometimes attain a state where they are overcome with passion. They report experiencing feelings of such intense joy that they become overwhelmed and begin to cry. They report that they sometimes seem to be running in slow motion. Once again time seems to slow or stop. Their whole thoughts, minds, bodies are given up, surrendered, or sacrificed to the task at hand. There is no time to waste on belief systems. All energy must be sucked back out of belief systems and applied to the race.

The same pattern appears in all the examples above. The ego has been sidestepped because the effort and the task at hand are so intense that there is no time for ego involvement. In such moments the ego loses its authority and its energy. It is the same energy which is used to maintain divisiveness or insularity. The energy then becomes available to be channeled for more efficient use in accomplishing the task. Without ego time seems to stop. There is no doubt about the need to accomplish the task because doubt implies a divisive personality, and divisiveness has vanished with the ego. The act becomes an act of love, sacrifice, or surrender, because all the mental, physical, and psychic energy expended in maintaining the ego must be withdrawn from selfish pursuits and focused on the task at hand without any second thoughts. This act is unconditional, all-consuming and therefore, very passionate.

If one feels a need to hesitate and give a thought to the advice of Jesus or Mohammed or Buddha then one's whole being is not totally united in the act, because some ego with its divisiveness still remains. In that case one could not say that one unconditionally loved one's child, a comrade-in-arms, or the other airline passengers. In this manner love and compassion are negated by faith, belief, thought, and even hope.

We often hear testimony from persons, such as the stewardess, who stated that their lives were permanently changed by their experiences. They claim that because of their "peak experience" they feel that they live more fully now. It is much more common for us to feel that we love this person or that thing or some god, but no sooner is the statement made and our minds are already thinking about rules to follow, Christian rules, Hindu rules, conditions, etc. "You will love your God by not eating meat on Fridays" or "You will love your God by destroying the infidels."

Krishnamurti in his discussions and dialogues is not being theoretical or otherworldly. Denying any guru-like authority, he urges us not to take his word for anything he says, and urges us to find out for ourselves. His message, therefore, becomes very immediate and real.

3. The Krishnamurti Connection With Buddhism

In many ways Krishnamurti's message is similar to the one that Buddhism teaches. Both point to the ease and susceptibility of the human mind to succumb to conditioning as the origin of all our human problems. Both doctrines, therefore, prescribe the use of an intense awareness of all of our mental processes, thoughts, memories, beliefs, hopes, and fears in order to gain that state of enlightenment which Krishnamurti calls insight or complete and unconditional freedom.

On the surface there appears to be conflict between Krishnamurti and Buddhism on some points. To Krishnamurti the process of enlightenment takes place instantaneously, like a sudden awakening. To most Buddhists enlightenment would take place only after years of painstaking meditative practice and countless rituals.

In the preceding we examined the nature of human psychological time. Time is measured by humans usually through a process of increase or decrease. We sense that time is passing because we are growing older or earning more money or waiting to be promoted to a higher rank. More precisely, psychological time is our perception of the process of increase or decrease and nothing more. Without that perception there would be no sense of passage of time.

When we talk of working and meditating over a period of years to achieve enlightenment it is the same as saying, "I will create the passage of time by undergoing a process of 'increase' from a lower to a higher spiritual level". By taking this approach we will have avoided taking the discontinuous leap into enlightenment, and instead we will have created our own delay in achieving enlightenment. As we mentioned earlier, the human ego is involved with this process. In fact, one could say that the human ego is this process, i.e. perception (increase/decrease) = psychological time = ego.

It stands to reason that any Buddhist authority who urges others to work real hard over a long period of time in order to achieve enlightenment is selling an ego package. Yet, we sometimes hear such advice coming from Buddhists. Krishnamurti's view of enlightenment is not that of a gradual one which increases slowly over years of hard work, because that sort of ego-related process creates its own delay and thus insures that the end is never attained. In Krishnamurti's view enlightenment comes by its own accord where and when it chooses, and there is little that we can do about it. It comes to us at auspicious times like a major discontinuity in our lives, and it reminds us of some Buddhist accounts of awakening which were induced by an unexpected slap to the face or a blow to the body. Ego involvement in enlightenment (or meditation for that matter) is no more than an interference which will negate the process.

It is the author's opinion that Krishnamurti's views provide us with more insight into The Sutra of the Heart of Transcendent Knowledge than most explanations available from the Buddhist world. In the Sutra, Avalokitesvara states that there is no birth and no cessation, ... no decrease and no increase, ... It is the exact same process which Krishnamurti dwells upon in volume after volume of his works. Enlightenment is a state that is timeless which means that its chief attribute is one of no-time, meaning no involvement with ego or ego-created time. Once an acknowledgment is made by the ego that time is required to attain enlightenment, the search has gone off on a hopeless tangent and will end in failure. The ego has to surrender its jurisdiction in the matter of enlightenment and allow something which is infinite and unknowable to take its course.

To Krishnamurti any process of thought is unsacred. Thoughts of the dharma or Buddha are as unsacred as any other type of thought. The only thing remaining sacred in Krishnamurti's view is that which thought is incapable of capturing or the unknowable. All thoughts are mere human creations of the human brain stem and are forever incapable of capturing that which is infinite and unknowable.

At first it seems that most Buddhists would agree with the foregoing paragraph. But there is plenty of Buddhist literature available which encourages Buddhists to meditate upon sacred images or thoughts or The Eight-Fold path or some mandala or mantra. It is self-evident that a state of complete emptiness is impossible as long as any images whatsoever persist in the mind. The Sutra says that emptiness is form and all form is emptiness, yet many Buddhist leaders keep on encouraging others to fill this vast, wonderful emptiness with a product of the human nervous system as if that product is sacred enough to occupy space as long as it has received the authorized stamp of approval from a duly appointed Buddhist authority.

Some Buddhist groups conduct prayer meetings. Prayer is an obvious exercise of the ego, a deliberate, calculating way to gain an increase over a period of time. There are some who feel that more prayer results in more gain. It is another attempt to attain something despite the fact that there is no attainment.

4. No Path, No Progress, No Goal

"...the bodhisatvas have no attainment, they abide by means of prajnaparamita."

To Krishnamurti there is no "path", no procedures, no organization, and no rules that should be laid down by men for other men to follow on the road to enlightenment. As part of the path, Buddhists must observe a very typical, man-made, structure which begins at the top with The Three Precious Ones: the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. Each of these pillars has subsets of rules associated with it: The Five Skandhas, The Eight Siddhis, etc. Some would have us believe that learning all these articles of faith are necessary for enlightenment.

Much Buddhist literature suggests that in following Buddhism there is a great object that one must attain and that one progresses towards this goal as one takes each step along the path. To Krishnamurti setting a psychological goal and working for progress in any direction will only lead to more confusion and suffering. Any attempts at psychological self-betterment will amount to no more than just one more futile duplication of many similar past efforts, all of which had previously failed.

The typical pattern of human behavior that we always seem to fall into, perhaps by virtue of conditioning, is the "work for a reward" stereotype. One finds a religion and sees something desirable in it which becomes an object of attainment. The next step is to devise a plan to acquire the object, and finally, with great deliberation we set about to carry out that plan with hard, unrelenting work.

Krishnamurti tells us that the "work for a reward" operandi has been tried countless times by homo sapiens, but it has never led us to anything new or different in the area of spiritual enlightenment. What do we make of all this? Buddhist leaders round the world tell us that there are Buddhist goals and a path of hard work and attainment for reaching these goals.

Here again Krishnamurti seems to be more in agreement with the very core of Buddhist teachings than the Buddhists themselves. The Sutra of the Heart of Transcendent Knowledge sounds more like Krishnamurti than does many of the Buddhist teachers: "There is ... no path, no wisdom, no attainment, and no nonattainment ..." Here Krishnamurti is telling us to live up to the precepts of this great Buddhist Sutra. He is not telling us to follow a path, but to under stand that there is no path. He tells this just as bluntly and simply as the Sutra does. There is no apparent sympathy or embellishments for the benefit of those who either fail to understand or for those who have beliefs in goals to which they must continue to cling.

5. No Apostolic following

Buddhist teachers are prone to exhort us to believe in the principles that Buddhist leaders have laid down for them over the centuries, and there are authoritative Buddhist lineages with apostles who have been appointed to carry out this task.

For Krishnamurti even the faintest aroma of authority is totally detrimental to spirituality, because authority implies that someone has been placed in a position of acceptance. Anyone who accepts any truth from someone else has not yet found it within himself. As long as people are unwilling or for any reason unable to find truth within themselves there will be no possibility of obtaining any true spiritual insight.

According to Krishnamurti the person is not important, but what he says is. In many of his writings he pleads and begs the reader not to accept anything on his authority, but instead to undertake a profound inward search to verify the truth (or untruth) of anything he says. Advice with an uncanny similarity appears in the Kalama Sutra where the Buddha says, "Don't believe in me, don't believe in others, don't believe in something because it is written in books, but really see for yourself what practice is conducive to the weakening of greed and delusion."

If we are not to believe in the Buddha, other Buddhists, or Buddhist scriptures then of what value is a Buddhist lineage? Perhaps not much, but Krishnamurti has an answer to this. The only useful function that he could ever claim for himself was, as he put it, as a mirror. He felt that he could help those most in need by reflecting an image of themselves that would be so vivid that no one could fail to recognize the simple fact that our true nature was that of a vast, unlimited emptiness. If Krishnamurti's role for himself were also applicable to Buddhist leaders then the Buddhist clergy would serve better as instruments of reflection rather than reservoirs ready to spout endless dictums: The Six Realms of cyclic existence, The Ten Bhumis, The Four Performances, The Four Noble Truths, and so on and on and on.

What of all the rules that the Buddha has passed down to us over the centuries? Accounts have it that just before his death the Buddha entrusted his monks to discard all minor rules, saying he knew they were able to discern the essence of dharma. Overcautious, the monks decided they couldn't decide, and kept all the rules. In effect, they denied the Buddha's last wish. Had Krishnamurti sat in the place of the Buddha, and had he made but one rule, it might have been "know thyself", and all other rules would have been declared to be minor and therefore to be discarded.

 Although Krishnamurti has left us with no apostolic succession to continue with his work, he did establish a foundation before he died. The Krishnamurti Foundation which has an office at Ojai, California, another in Brockwood Park, England, and a third in Madras, India, makes all of his work available either in print or on sound & video recordings, and on CD-ROM. Some of the tapes contain various impressions of Krishnamurti which were recorded during interviews with prominent world figures from many different fields.

In one such interview with Rinpoche Sumdung the Buddhist teacher stated that in his opinion the Buddha taught on two different levels. The first level was that of the average human being. This was the level that Buddha used when he spoke to the masses, and it was on this level that Buddha taught rules, dharma, rituals, etc. Rinpoche Sumdung went on to say that the second level, a higher level, was the one which the Buddha used to communicate in-depth wisdom as in the sutras. The "Heart Sutra" was such a higher form of communi- cation.

Finally, Rinpoche Sumdung said that the Buddha "compromised" himself by teaching on the two different levels, because eventually obvious discrepancies were sure to appear between the two levels. In the preceding paragraphs we have been dealing with some of these problems. Rinpoche Sumdung concluded by saying that in his opinion Krishnamurti never addressed the masses from the lower level like the Buddha did. He always taught at the level of the sutra and for that reason there is much agreement between Krishnamurti and "The Heart Sutra". Krishnamurti, therefore, never "compromised" {not quite the best choice of a word; perhaps what the Rinpoche meant would be better expressed by the word "overextended"} himself in the same manner as the Buddha did. Rinpoche Sumdung felt that on this second level Krishnamurti's teachings were identical with those of the Buddha. Krishnamurti remained true, at times obstinately steadfast, to the Sutra level of teaching during his whole life, and his teachings were consequently more difficult for the public to assimilate.

学习佛的智慧，包括佛对抗战道士的情况的解释。附加我注解

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If a man who enjoys a lesser happiness beholds a greater one, let him leave aside the lesser to gain the greater.


I reached in experience the nirvana which is unborn, unrivalled, secure from attachment, undecaying and unstained. This condition is indeed reached by me which is deep, difficult to see, difficult to understand, tranquil, excellent, beyond the reach of mere logic, subtle, and to be realized only by the wise.

佛这里说的NIRVANA，是没有出生的，没有展现的，没有依附的，不会腐烂的，没有污点的。佛坦言这个境界是很难看到的，很难懂的，平和的，完美的，超越逻辑的，只有智慧的人才能看到的。


It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.

佛说，战胜你自己比战胜一千个战役还重要。战胜自己的胜利是永远的，无法被任何人夺去的，包括天使，魔鬼，天堂，还是地狱。

（米）佛强调了，了解自己的重要性超过一切！在没有了解自己前，不要想解决世界的问题。

你注意到了没有？当你或地了心灵胜利，就根本不必担心天使，魔鬼，天堂或地狱，这些概念都消散了，没意义了。



There is nothing so disobedient as an undisciplined mind, and there is nothing so obedient as a disciplined mind.




What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday, and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow: Our life is the creation of our mind.

佛彻底否认了我们（EGO）的真实性。他说我们的生活是MIND创造的，是幻觉。我们的记忆创造了我们的目前，我们现在的思想创造了我们的明天。

（米）；我要补充一下，所有过去和明天，都是人的记忆和思想的产物，都是幻觉，有了这个很真的幻觉，我们就看到我们的肉体了。


Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.

安静比一千句空洞的话更有用。

（米），你要去除幻觉，必须静思，安静自己的心，入定。最后什么经都不要看了。


He who experiences the unity of life sees his own Self in all beings, and all beings in his own Self, and looks on everything with an impartial eye.

佛说，看到统一的人必然在万物中看到了自己。看到万物在自己里面。看世界不用分离区别的眼睛（IMPARTIAL EYE）。


In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true.

天上，没有什么东方和西方，是人们的分离心（distinctiong out of their own minds) ，看出了方向，信以为真。


Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.

和平安详来自于内部，不要到外面寻找。


The mind is the source of happiness and unhappiness.

MIND（EGO的心）是所有愉快和非愉快的来源。


As the fletcher whittles and makes straight his arrows, so the master directs his straying thoughts.


To enjoy good health, to bring true happiness to one's family, to bring peace to all, one must first discipline and control one's own mind. If a man can control his mind he can find the way to Enlightenment, and all wisdom and virtue will naturally come to him.

如果你要健康，和平，愉快降临到你的家庭，你必须要修炼你的心。 如果一个人可以修炼自己的心，他可以醒悟，所有的智慧美德都可以得到了。

（米）：这个Control不是指控制你的思想，因为你无法控制思想，佛的意思是观察思想，了解思想，进而了解自己的心，最后没有了思想，所有的神圣都在那里等待了。


Whatever words we utter should be chosen with care for people will hear them and be influenced by them for good or ill.

说话的方式要注意，因为别人会误解，可能正确地或错误地影响别人。


The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings.


Meditation brings wisdom; lack of meditation leaves ignorance. Know well what leads you forward and what hold you back, and choose the path that leads to wisdom.

静思带来智慧，不静思，人就会无知。


Meditate. Live purely. Be quiet. Do your work with mastery. Like the moon, come out from behind the clouds! Shine.

要静思，纯净地生活，安静。像月光一样照亮世界。

（米）注意，佛用月光，而不用太阳，就是形象地比喻了那个安静安详的博爱。不必要像太阳那样耀眼。


Look within, thou art the Buddha.

看你的里面，你就是佛！

（米）我不是一直强调，真理就在你的心里，观察它吧，最智慧的大师就是你自己。不要老是崇拜别的大师，问自己是最重要的。我们记得吗？耶稣在托马斯福音里，也强调了上帝的天国在你的里面。


Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.

不要相信任何人告诉你的东西。也不要因为你尊敬某位大师就信他说的话。要自己坚持，判别他们的教诲是否是出于善良，道德，然后才决定用他们作为指导。


A family is a place where minds come in contact with one another. If these minds love one another the home will be as beautiful as a flower garden. But if these minds get out of harmony with one another it is like a storm that plays havoc with the garden.


Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and kind, they can change our world.


The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly.

保持健康的身心秘密就是，不要为过去而悲哀惋惜，或者担心未来，担心未来有麻烦。而要彻底地生活在目前（PRESENT MOMENT）

（米）我们明白了吧，那个抗战道士理解同样的道理，虽然他的妻儿过世，但他不惋惜过去，他接受了现实，只能彻底地生活在目前，所以当他看到远方的蓝色的山脉，他不由自主地赞美了。佛的教诲就是要人们放下自己无法控制的事，连最最悲哀的事都要放下，生活在目前，这样，你就领悟了，时间是没有的，一切都是永恒的现在。

有人谴责他，说他不该在最悲痛的时候赞美生活和自然。但想想，那个谴责他的人，怎么知道道士心里有多悲哀，怎么知道他已经完全放下了悲哀？

所以，我们外人只能意会他的境界。

讲一个真实的道家的事，在抗战时期

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抗战期间，有一个美国专家到中国协助国民党政府，不懂中文，国民政府给他派了一个翻译，美国专家很好奇地发现这位翻译非常和善，平静，微笑从来没有在他脸上消失过，有一次，在前线，日本军逼近，炮弹已经在四周炸开，危机时刻，他们随军队撤退，行走期间，硝烟暂时消散，蓝蓝的远山浮现在眼前，这时翻译静静地看着远山，说了声：“好美啊”。美国专家非常感动，在这样危险的时刻，这位翻译居然安静地欣赏起美景了，心可谓定。

后来，他了解到，这位翻译是一个研究很深的道学家，在撤退前不久，翻译的妻子和儿子来不及撤，被日军杀害了。

（米 的评论）：这个翻译不是不难过，但他已经定心了， 醒悟了，知道很多事情无法避免，他已经超越自己个人的EGO's EYE，看待世界了，这就是境界。


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• 道学家和道家不是一回事 -红狮瓴- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/11/12 13:04:18
• 是道家，真正静思的那种。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/11/12 13:06:06
• 禅?那是汉传佛教,当然也结合了中国道家的坐忘,清静无为. -红狮瓴- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/11/12 13:13:47
• 禅，道，是一个真理。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/11/12 13:17:15
• 据说不一样:参禅的对象是禅，坐忘的对象是物我 -红狮瓴- ♂    (185 bytes) (9 reads) 7/11/12 13:19:06
• 完全一样！只有外人，也就是说没有悟的人以为不一样。道路看上去不同，结果一样。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/11/12 13:20:32
• 没到那境界,不清楚,嘿嘿:)) -红狮瓴- ♂    (0 bytes) (0 reads) 7/11/12 13:22:33
• 开悟和解脱 = 得道和成仙，不同的说法而已。有一种教法就是“默而不答”的，佛就常 -miat42- ♂    (614 bytes) (24 reads) 7/11/12 13:26:44
• 这个，道家思想，是中国人更固有之思。而禅，则是外来后再与中国人固有哲思相结合，禅 -大江川- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/11/12 15:25:33
• 一个自了汉，不值得赞叹。他自己能超脱，却连妻儿的痛苦都不能感受。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (10 reads) 7/11/12 13:34:29
• 回避现实，耽空守寂，乃二乘自了汉，佛苛斥为焦芽败种。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (12 reads) 7/11/12 13:41:14
• 我了解的佛，是不会苛斥别人焦芽败种的。如果有这个经，都是佛的代言人说的。 -miat42- ♂    (348 bytes) (13 reads) 7/11/12 13:52:56
• 如果、如果你有兴趣，可以研究一下《法华经》。当然这是个人兴趣。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (507 bytes) (8 reads) 7/11/12 14:03:10
• 你可以给我看看佛有区别的批评某人或某种人的经文，我感兴趣了解。 -miat42- ♂    (792 bytes) (17 reads) 7/11/12 14:20:13
• 我不过配合你演演戏而已，本是水月空花事～～～，别太当真了啊。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/11/12 14:25:05
• 我只讲道。不会PERSONAL的，你不必担心。如果你真能给出佛发怒喝斥某人的经文 -miat42- ♂    (74 bytes) (11 reads) 7/11/12 14:29:34
• 那就好。）））我只对道友和亲近的人才不讲客气。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/11/12 14:32:20
• 确实要搞清楚，佛的IMPARTIALITY（五分别心）是什么意思。我口气比较坚决 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (7 reads) 7/11/12 14:36:06
• 这些讨论，不是个人争论，如果有什么结果，大家都可以提高理解，又好处，但千万不要P -miat42- ♂    (27 bytes) (13 reads) 7/11/12 14:31:45
• 你看我下面的解释 :-) -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (14 reads) 7/11/12 13:45:01
• 大菩萨们都忙得很，或寻声救苦或教化众生，难到他们没你我有智慧？～ -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (7 reads) 7/11/12 13:51:17
• 不要看佛，你才看得到佛，所以不要讲什么菩萨，世界上菩萨多了，不知道哪个开悟了。 -miat42- ♂    (101 bytes) (12 reads) 7/11/12 13:55:13
• 我也可以说，Krishnamurti 顶多悟了一半。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/11/12 14:05:50
• 我不知道K又没有悟，但他是彻底IMPARTIAL看问题的人。至少解释上和佛没有差 -miat42- ♂    (100 bytes) (11 reads) 7/11/12 14:10:08
• 能理解你所说的，不过不能完全认同罢了？～～～ -NianCaoXi- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/11/12 13:53:21
• 楞伽经第5条，佛强调不要判断，分析事物，彻底IMPATIAL，无判断。所以佛不可 -miat42- ♂    (572 bytes) (15 reads) 7/11/12 14:04:54
• 这个英文版经典把分别心译成discrimination，而你回译成歧视 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (1580 bytes) (39 reads) 7/11/12 14:15:48
• 比这个内涵更深刻。 -NianCaoXi- ♂    (390 bytes) (17 reads) 7/11/12 14:35:26
• 就是消除DUALITY的眼光，用彻底IMPARTIAL的眼睛看世界。当然欢迎你反 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/11/12 15:31:31
• 《楞伽经》第9) 歧视是所有欲念的起点，是因(cause)的起点. 所以佛的真 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/11/12 14:26:48
• 通过这个例子，我们也知道了一个道理，醒悟的人和凡人没有不同，他们工作，学习，干活 -miat42- ♂    (709 bytes) (38 reads) 7/11/12 13:44:09

要认清耶稣的真经，不要读你们目前教堂里版本，都是罗马教廷为了迎合自己控制欲编辑后的版本

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你要学习的是没有污染的耶稣真话，那就是ＧＯＳＰＥＬ　ＯＦ　ＴＨＯＭＡＳ了，１９４５年在埃及被考古挖掘出来，最接近当初耶稣说的原话。我看了一些，发现，耶稣好像和佛祖说一样的话。哈哈，基督和佛教可以统一了。干脆不要宗教了，直接学习真理就行了吗。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas

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• He who opens wide his lips comes to ruin -美国民工-     (0 bytes) (7 reads) 7/10/12 17:28:26
• 你的标题很有命令口气啊。 -加州花坊- ♀    (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/10/12 19:53:28
• 啊，我没有这个意思，对不起可能我省了字让你理解成这样。不，我没有命令，只有你自己 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/11/12 04:18:52
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• 唔，能穿墙的 -纸金迷-     (0 bytes) (0 reads) 7/10/12 14:06:40
• 没有死这个事，至少对我本人没有了，早就抛弃了，不CARE了。那天肉体要烂，就愉快 -miat42- ♂    (55 bytes) (17 reads) 7/10/12 14:23:11
• 你要往高处带人，象我们这样的太俗，你得一步一步来，不能一下子就达到如你的彼岸 -纸金迷-     (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/10/12 14:53:28
• 你误解了，我对任何人没有要求，我这些都是写给有兴趣的人看的。注意我不是在传教。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/10/12 15:08:14
• 我也有兴趣啊，但是你的话咱多数不懂，丈二摸不到啊 -纸金迷-     (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/10/12 15:11:11
• 我研究20年了，我可以介绍你看书，慢慢理解，一开始不理解是正常的。看看FRANC -miat42- ♂    (919 bytes) (32 reads) 7/10/12 15:19:19
• 那为什么你反对自杀呢?他们不过主动地跟肉体说"byebye". -溪边小树-     (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/10/12 19:31:16
• 肉体是给你享受的，它还好端端的，为什么要主动地说BYEBYE？ 是不是那个EGO -miat42- ♂    (144 bytes) (11 reads) 7/11/12 04:13:52
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看看耶稣和中国的老子是怎么解释真理的

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在Gospel of Thomas里，耶稣对弟子这么说：“如果别人问你，‘你们从哪里来？’，告诉他们，‘我们从光明中来’。如果别人问你，‘你中哪里有光明的迹象？’，告诉他们, '我既是光明的运动，也是光明的居所’ ”。

注意，耶稣没有说他自己是光明，他清楚地告诉弟子，我们每个人都是从光明中来的。他进一步强调，我们就是光明的运动，也是光明的居所，就是光明本身。

记得我把也曾经把真理比喻成光明。所以，这个光明就是真理，是一个比喻。

耶稣解说的很清楚，和佛祖解说的一样清楚，但后人很少真正理解这些话的含义。

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在Gospel OF THOMAS, 耶稣又说了：“如果你要隐藏一个秘密，就公开放在大家的面前吧。”。

中国的老子也说过：“能够说出来的道不是道”。

注意，耶稣的意思就是真理是看不见的，它就像一个公开的秘密，摆在你面前，你以为它很平凡，没什么神圣，看都不看一眼。这个秘密就是你自己，你是真理，但你看不见，也不问自己哪里来的，你把一个EGO，BODY和MIND的幻觉当成自己了，跟着思想走，每天都有冲突，不满足，欲望和追求。

老子的意思是，真理（道）是无法用语言描述的，能够描述就是不是真理（道）了。

所以我说，我可以给你一个比喻，激发你的兴趣，真正的探索，只有靠你自己了，不可能靠信仰和膜拜获得。信仰是什么？就是要在外界追求一个上帝，所以信仰是一个死胡同，上帝在你心里，哪能在外面找到。

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世人不懂耶稣的话，也不懂佛祖的话，更不懂老子的话，忙着区分他们的不同，为宗教教义斗争。其实耶稣，佛，老子都是醒悟的人，一个用犹太语解释和比喻，一个用梵文解释和比喻，一个用中国古文解释，述说同样的真理。

所以，我本人什么宗教都不参加，但我学习所有圣人的道理，看不出他们的不同。

所有跟帖：
• 能回答我的问题吗: 达到你想得到的境界，跟死有什么区别? -溪边小树-     (48 bytes) (7 reads) 7/10/12 14:03:12
• 是死的反面：永生 -纸金迷-     (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/10/12 14:19:12
• 永生 = 没有肉体的生和死。不是指你的肉体可以永生，肉体只有一个结局：最后入土。 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/10/12 15:09:54

我们有没有自由？

来源: miat42 于 2012-07-08 08:58:32 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：61次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

上次写了一篇比喻文，http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/teatime/391853.html

现在谈谈我们是否真有自由？我们真正的自己不是肉体和脑子，不是这个EGO。好比我们是反映世界的镜子，但不是镜子里的图像。所以，当我们谈自由，先看看谁要有这个自由？如果我们的认识停留在肉体，MIND，脑子的层面，我们是没有自由的。为什么？我们看看我们是否可以有自由让不开心的事（UNHAPPINESS）停止发生？ 没有这个自由，它们不断地袭来，我们却不断地逃避它们，逃避了过去不开心的事，未来更多不开心的事在那里等待着伏击我们，然后我们继续逃避，一直到我们肉体的消灭（死亡），都没有能力阻止不开心的事袭击我们。因此，我们没有真正的自由。同样，我们也没有自由选择命运，不管我们的意愿如何，命运总是带我们走一个方向，不一定符合意愿。所以，在肉体和MIND的层次，我们是没有什么自由的。

但是，我们真是肉体和MIND吗？当然不是，真正的存在是CONSCIOUSNESS，不是源于头脑，EGO的MIND。我不太清楚中文如何翻译，因为中文常常把CONSCIOUSNESS和MIND混淆。

CONSCIOUSNESS是彻底自由的，毫无边际的，毫无约束的。所以当人的认识层次把自我定位成EGO和MIND的时候，他就没有自由。所谓的个人意愿（FREE WILL）也是一个幻觉，这个FREE ＷＩＬＬ看上去好像有，但不真的有。

所以不开心的事一定会来，我们没有避免它们的自由，但我们的真实不是ＭＩＮＤ和肉体，我们有不反应的自由。这就是佛说的没有歧视心，不管开心事，还是不开心事，我都认为很正常，就是生活，都开心地接受。

当我们可以开始享受（ＥＮＪＯＹ）不开心的事了，不逃避它们，幻觉就消失了。我们看到了真正的我们。

然后，还有没有不开心的事？我开始不分辨了，不清楚了，什么都是平静的愉快。

这样，是不是马上我们有了自由？

所有跟帖：
• 其实大家在生活上谈论的"自由"是指"欲望的自由", 民主自由中的"自由"也是这东 -人在异乡为异客- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/8/12 13:13:09
• consciousness是不是荣格的集体无意识？ -板儿牙- ♀    (699 bytes) (13 reads) 7/8/12 15:31:17
• 为什么要“可行”？为什么要“望”然后“及”？ 问题就在这里了。因为人有“行”，“ -miat42- ♂    (764 bytes) (12 reads) 7/8/12 15:49:22
• 就像您要求这里的一个兄弟看住自己的念头，凡夫心乱七八糟的怎么观得起来？ -板儿牙- ♀    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/8/12 15:54:15
• 我没有任何要求，我自己看自己，看是没有追求的看，不是一件事。我不会要求别人怎么做 -miat42- ♂    (303 bytes) (17 reads) 7/8/12 18:45:14
• 首先是要知道自己的心乱，才会观察。否则跟着心走，哪能观察？ 99%的人是跟心走的 -miat42- ♂    (0 bytes) (8 reads) 7/8/12 18:56:30
• 这个我同意，而且一分钟有八万个念头，被念头牵着走可以，没有化空的能力。 -板儿牙- ♀    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/9/12 01:02:53
• 哈哈，你看到了一分钟有八万个念头，不就已经在观察了？继续观察吧，也许什么时候，8 -miat42- ♂    (100 bytes) (5 reads) 7/9/12 10:41:51
• 米米大是很有洞见。consciousness or self－conscious -野性- ♂    (170 bytes) (15 reads) 7/8/12 21:04:12
• 不必管是谁观察，不要定义它为小人或大人，因为你不知道。你只要观察就可以了，一切的 -miat42- ♂    (279 bytes) (8 reads) 7/9/12 04:03:23
• 观察自己其实就是一个和世界融合的过程。这个说法也不完全对，因为不管你融合不融合， -miat42- ♂    (635 bytes) (14 reads) 7/9/12 04:11:05
• 人已经是上帝了? 这可不是基督信仰中的上帝. 宇宙是上帝造的, 不是人造的. -苗青青- ♀    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/9/12 07:24:14
• 当然不是目前基督教中的上帝。我来初浅地说明一下吧，什么是上帝： -miat42- ♂    (925 bytes) (17 reads) 7/9/12 09:46:13
• 我好象明白了. :P -溪边小树-     (587 bytes) (12 reads) 7/8/12 22:15:12
• 逻辑上正如你所言。但米大或佛学是到此为止，不往前推理的。 -野性- ♂    (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/9/12 08:06:52
• 是的，从逻辑上看，他说的是乎是通顺的。但真实是超逻辑的，因为逻辑本身就是一个幻觉 -miat42- ♂    (104 bytes) (6 reads) 7/9/12 10:27:05

为了帮助那些可能听的懂朋友悟道，我举一个例子吧

为了帮助那些可能听的懂朋友悟道，我举一个例子吧
来源: miat42 于 2012-07-01 15:35:33 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读：139次 字体：调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题

本贴内容已被 [miat42] 在 2012-07-02 08:05:21 编辑过。如有问题，请报告版主或论坛管理删除.
镜子的例子：

现实就是一面大镜子。反映在镜子里的各种图像，光影，就是你的害怕，担心，喜悦，痛苦，追求，逃避，欲望，思想，感觉，各种行动，责任，义务。真正的你是什么？是这面镜子，而不是镜子反映的图像和光影。

但你糊涂了，忘了自己是镜子，错误地把自己定位成镜子里图像和幻影。每天参与幻影的剧情，成为了幻影剧的一个角色。

镜子无穷无尽的反射你的幻境，高兴，悲哀，出生，死亡，欲望，目标。但它们始终是幻影，不会影响镜子本身。这些反映出来的东西，对镜子来说，有好坏区别吗？没有！不管镜子照出多少美丽或丑陋，对镜子来说，什么也没有发生！

醒悟是什么？就是突然发现，原来我不是镜子里图像，我就是镜子。

当你沉湎于镜子图像的剧情时，你难道不是镜子本身，是图像了？不！你永远是镜子，不管你有多么糊涂，图像都是你的幻觉。

所以，你不需要任何追求，因为你已经是镜子了，不过你忘了自己的本质。

这就是我说的，修行是一个不可以追求的东西，它不是一个PATH，修行不是一件有目的的事，它不是行动。任何行动都无法醒悟，一个本来就是你的东西，哪里能追求到？醒了就成了吗，简单。



耶稣说过：“Before Abraham was, I am". 这个I am是谁？基督教徒非要说这个I am是某个外在的上帝，我知道：它就是镜子，你自己啊，所以耶稣说的太准确了：I am!

好，现在看看你的某些追求吧：

你说：“我不喜欢痛苦，我要醒悟，我要自由，我要下辈子投好胎得好报，或者，我要上帝允许我进天堂”。

有了这么多“要，希望，不喜欢”，这些欲望造成什么？使你偏离了镜子，强化了镜子幻影的角色。

对于镜子来说，它真的有那么多痛苦，不喜欢，厌恶，追求？ 没有！对于镜子来说，它不在乎幻影想的是什么，镜子永远是满足的，自在的，自由的，想反映什么，就反映什么，它丝毫没有任何歧视哪个图像是好的，哪个图像是差，对于镜子，一切的一切都是OK的。

理解到这个，所有你认为痛苦的事，烦恼的事，真的很重要吗，真的必要逃避？

所以，静心观察自己的痛苦，喜乐，慢慢地你让他们失去了对你的左右功能，这时，你发现你是镜子了，你啥都不必要做。

MEDITATION（静思），该如何做？

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简单啊，就观察你现在的思绪：“我要修，但我放不下家人”，你来回观察这些思绪，不要说它们是坏的好的，不命名，不批评，hold住这些思维，你什么事都不必做，什么结论都不必作。没有肯定和否定！发现自己的欲望，慢慢地你隐约感到这些思绪不是出于真正的你，而是出于哪个EGO。 慢慢地你能够可以观察到更多更深层次的思绪链。关键是可以好像站在第三者的角度看自己的思绪，然后，慢慢地，你不但能够敏捷地观察自己，还能观察周围，世界，从内向外，然后再从外向内。



你在床上观察，做爱时也可以观察啊！也可以在佛陀雕像的底部观察自己。有什么不同！



如果你念经，但无法观察自己和周围，心不定，就算在寺院佛雕脚下，也什么也修不到的。毕竟，真理在你的深处，而不可能在外界任何地方找到！



平常生活的每时每刻，都是你的修行啊！



到一定阶段，你如果在DISCO 舞会里一边跳舞，喧闹的节奏，舞动的身体，丝毫不会动你稳定的心，这时，DISCO和寺院没有区别，你可以毫无区别地观察自己。

最后，那个EGO你开始看不清了，开始消失了，但你还在观察！谁在观察？你不知道！为什么要知道？谁要知道答案，是不是哪个EGO要知道啊？ 如果没有了EGO， 还有谁要知道！？

当你能够在没有EGO的情况下观察，你试试看，会发生什么，我不知道，你会不会知道？你自己先开始观察，看看会怎样。首先，你会发现自己的脾气会变好了，不容易动气了，然后，那些原来常常袭来的欲望，不那么容易袭来了，然后发生什么。。继续观察吧。

真正的观察就是当观察者和被观察者融合了，没有对立了。真理就在哪里等你。

这就是修，也是不修，因为你什么经也没念，什么事也没做，什么地方也没去。彻底无欲无求。


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• 从你做起，少说多做：） -astermatch- ♀    (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/1/12 09:21:39
• 我啥事也不做啊。没有做事的欲望。但有人问了我一些有对立面的问题，我帮着解惑啊。 -miat42- ♂    (228 bytes) (24 reads) 7/1/12 09:27:57
• 建议你照着 astermatch 说的： 少说，多做。 -agoodday- ♂    (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/3/12 21:18:44